@Apricot4996 I did use the Veritas again, very very pleasurable. Not overwhelming or too much stimuation, say Heavens Fall Nine Ex-Hard, but just very very good. The photos don't do it good justice but it's a rail design on the inside.

@Apricot4996 Thanks for your original comment and the follow up after using it again! If you try out the Liber again to compare, let us know.
I've been leaning slightly towards trying out the Veritas first.

I'm curious what you mean by "rail design."

@breezeby Sort of has "rails" like https://www.toydemon.com/masturbators/onaholes/succubus-inverted-pleat-quintet but softer and just as pleasurable. Notice the last image on the page for that.

@Apricot4996 Noted! Thanks for the reference. Also, great review you left there. Looks like an interesting toy itself.

@breezeby I used the Liber again. I'd say the Veritas is a more steady build while the Liber is a more intense build. The inside rails of the Liber are more teasing around the head. Overall I'd pick the Veritas just because I prefer a longer build.

@Apricot4996 Thanks for the follow up review. That is helpful. I tend to prefer longer builds myself.
Are you familiar with Angel's Puruman? I'm curious how these might compare with it in terms of overall experience, as well as softness.

@breezeby Also have that, love that toy. Very good paired with these TOMAX toys.

@Apricot4996 It's one of my favorites for sure!
I wonder how soft you'd say the Virgo Soft is compared to Angel's Puruman.

@breezeby Virgo Soft is somewhat firmer than Angels Puruman. Rich Soft is more similar to Angel.

@breezeby I was curious, after reading AHistorians review of the regular firmness variants, that I went and picked up both the regular Veritas and regular Liber. I may get the Phantasma eventually but not right now.

Wow, it never fails to amaze me how different toys can be with a slightly different level of firmness. The Veritas and Liber in regular are both much more stimulating than the soft. As AHistorian said, which I can concur, good luck edging.

@Apricot4996 Yeeah buddy... she's a demon isn't she? Ha!

@AHistorian You could say she's a toy... demon... ha. ha. ha. I'll show myself the door.

I've yet to try the Liber yet but the Veritas is crazy different between the soft and regular. Soft is a great slow build, regular demands it now.
The best part is it's not overstimulating, it's just pure goodness from start to finish. It doesn't hurt like the Violent ZZ or Heavens Fall Nine Ex-Hard.

@Apricot4996 Noted! I tend to prefer longer, edging sessions, so lean towards something softer, but I'm also intrigued by the "good luck edging" sentiment lol

@Apricot4996 Ha, I sort of set the ball on the tee for you on that one didn't I!

@breezeby I have sleeves in the stash that are slow builds/long session sleeves and I also have sleeves that are just HUNGRY... I truly love that Tomax gives us the opportunity to have identical sleeves made of different intensities and you can pick how you want to roll that day.

I admit that I was slow to understand the Tomax ways, but as I experiment more with different sleeve firmnesses, lubes, and amount of those lubes and how they affect the sleeves-- I'm glad I didn't give up on them (I almost did) It's a journey for sure!!

@AHistorian I stick primarily with Silky and Insomnia. I love both of those, nothing else seems to compare as well.

@breezeby Yeah it's a very pleasurable toy so I found stopping myself especially difficult with how good the inside feels.

@AHistorian The options seem endless. I've not yet made my foray into Tomax products, but they've been on my radar for a while, and I'll probably buy one or two soon (most likely Venus Real and Veritas).

@Apricot4996 I assume you're referring to Regular?

@breezeby That is correct, regular.

@Apricot4996 1000% agreement on the Silky and Insomnia.
I use Insomnia for oral sleeves and paizuri and Silky for everything else!!!
@breezeby got himself a profile avatar now. Whoot!

@Apricot4996 @AHistorian
I decided to buy the Venus Real Very Soft to begin my adventure into Tomax and wait for Veritas Rich Soft to come back in stock.
Admittedly tempted by the Regular, but I'll be curious to see how these "softnesses" pan out and work from there.

@breezeby Enjoy!

@breezeby Hopefully a helpful suggestion: On the "Very Soft" get juuuuust enough lube to slide in and get some pullback on the outstroke.
I overlubed on my Very Soft numerous times and was very frustrated until I figured out to go sparingly on the Silky and then it was "Sweet Mother of all that is holy!"

@AHistorian Thanks for your thoughts! I love this: "You think you can edge with this sleeve? Good luck!" haha noted!