@AHistorian

So the 2nd gen Tsukasa Aoi is different enough in feeling from the Venus Real Soft? How would you describe the texture and softness? Softer than Tomax Soft? I'm surprised reviews say it's realistic since it looks so textured in the cutaway pictures.

How long have you had yours? How has it held up?

I've been warming my Venus in off-boil water. Is this an issue for these multi-layer toys?

For oral toys I've been eyeing the La Bocca Perorin and Gal Zanmai.

Thanks!

@loj
Yes the 2nd gen Tsukasa Aoi is different enough in feeling from the Venus Real Soft. The 2nd will not be internally as soft as the Venus Real Soft (It still feels amazing and it is soft!!)

I personally like the Tomax in "Regular" softness. I own a "Clone" in Soft and I like it, but would chose the 2nd over it 98% of the time.

I've had most of my sleeves for approximately 4 months. Know that I have about a dozen and I don't use a sleeve every day so obviously if you use a single sleeve every day it's going to wear out a lot quicker than if you have a rotation of ona's as I do.

Multi-layer toys you should NOT turn them inside out to clean, invest in drying sticks and take your time drying it out. Tomaxes being single layer you can turn them inside out and they are built like tanks, I still put in a dry stick in a Tomax out of habit to ensure its dry inside.

Warming: I would be very careful with super hot water, warm water should suffice, too hot of temperatures can damaged the TPE over time.

To wrap up: This journey of what you like and "gives you what you need" is a highly personalized one.
Your size, sensitivity and comparison to real life experiences will dictate what works for you. You will likely buy sleeves that are perfect for you and others that just don't do it for you.. there are sleeves that have rave reviews, but the tunnel length won't work for me personally. So I continue the "hunt."

Just keep researching, asking questions and trying some sleeves. I know they aren't cheap, but something I personally find mind-blowing may be "mid" for you!

@AHistorian

Appreciate all the advice! I'm still amazed at how realistic the Venus Real Soft is. Before this I had a Fleshlight STU from over a dozen years ago. That was good for its time but unrealistic and a pain to use.

Have you tried the 004 Fujimori Riho? It's rated pretty average here but I've read reviews elsewhere saying how realistic it is.

I also just found out about Sensbody. They're a Korean manufacturer that aims for realism by casting internal molds of actual people. They look uncannily realistic. The reviews I've read say they're incredibly realistic but very fragile.

@loj No problem. I personally have not used a 004, but it's reputation is very admirable and was under consideration for a time.

I did look into sensbody products and they seem really interesting, but they have very short tunnels so they don't work well for me personally.

@AHistorian
Just wanted to thank you for the recommendation!

I've had the 2nd gen Tsukasa Aoi for a few weeks and am incredibly impressed! I find it softer and tighter than the Venus Real Soft with a more stimulating texture.

Based on the cross section pictures the textures look a bit exaggerated with all the bumps and ridges but it somehow blends together to feel realistic and natural when using it. It's pretty damn impressive.

Have you tried any Tomax stuff in Very Soft or Rich Soft? I do find myself sometimes wishing the Venus Real Soft tunnel was just slightly softer to slightly mute the top hump near the entrance that can be a bit irritating for me.

PS - I also got a Gal Zanmai BJ ona and highly recommend it. It's a firmer material (no teeth) with lots of suction that does an amazing job at simulating deepthroating. It's compact and lightweight enough that I can comfortably use it one handed.

@loj
No problem at all.. glad to help however I can. I'm glad you like the 2nd gen Tsukasa Aoi. It is my #1 choice at the moment. I don't use it all the time because I'm still in that exploratory phase and have just been continuing to research and buy more sleeves.

I do own a Venus Real in Very Soft and I found it to not be my preferred softness level. I have Tomax sleeves in Regular, Soft and Very Soft. Regular is my softness and once I used a Regular Venus Real, found it to be my preferred level, I almost immediately ordered a Venus Clone in Regular.

I paired that Venus Clone in Regular with a newly acquired bottle of Tomax Silky Lube... holy hot damn... the Regular material of a Tomax rivals the ZXY. In hand, they do not feel the same, but once inside, they are both this buttery, silky smooth sleeve of bliss.

I'm going to give those Soft and Very Soft Tomaxes a try with the Silky Lube and see if the textures are a bit more pronounced.

@AHistorian
Curious how much softer is Tomax Very Soft vs Soft? With Very Soft is there still structure/resistance and ability to distinguish textures? Is Very Soft comparable to outer layer of the 2nd gen Tsukasa Aoi? I found the Tsukasa a bit softer than Venus Soft.

Interesting hearing about Tomax Silky. I've only tried Tomax Insomnia with these toys and like how thin and natural feeling it is. I do wish it lasted longer though. How do the two compare?

@loj For me personally, Soft still has enough sensation with a "take your time session" to get me where I want to go, but the journey is a little less exciting.

The Very Soft, I did two sessions with Insomnia and I found myself pulling out, wiping off a bit of lube, trying to go back in to get some feeling of texture and stimulation and it was WORK getting to the end.

I felt like having to work that hard to get a lube ratio perfect in order to finish, absolutely destroys the point.

I don't want to go at it for an hour, I generally would never get an hour of complete privacy anyway.

So my personal experience is this:
REGULAR: Right tightness, right feeling, is forgiving with lube.
SOFT: You've got to watch your lube or you run the risk of missing some stimulation.
VERY SOFT: Lube has to be perfect or you are just banging around inside a marshmallow. Sounds great, but I just don't feel enough to make it feel real or worth the effort.

With that said, I have read reviews from gents who feel EXACTLY the way I feel about Regular, but their jam is the Rich Soft.

If you like the 2nd gen Tsukasa Aoi NPG, you may test a run with either a Real or a Clone in Regular. Just my .25

Insomnia vs Silky: Both are thinner lubes, but the Insomnia is like old Astroglide (before the formula change) and the Silky is a bit thicker, but not by much. The three sessions I have used it (2x with Venus Clone Regular And 1x with a ZXY) the textures were very apparent. It feels more like the real thing. Think: you get the glide, but it's just there as a revved up woman would be. Hope that makes sense? I've never been with a woman and said "damn I can't feel anything because you are too wet" that's how the Silky feels. You can over do it a bit, yet still feel all the texture inside the sleeve. Before I possibly retire my Soft and Very Soft sleeves, I do want try them with Silky to see if that may sway me or I get a different experience.

@AHistorian
Appreciate all the advice! I remember thinking Insomnia does remind me a bit of Astroglide. I think I read Insomnia was Tomax's take on the original Astroglide?

I've been thinking about picking up a bottle of Silky. I'd love to hear how you think it works with your Soft and Very Soft sleeves.

Thanks again!

@loj I just read somewhere the other day that a poster stated that the Insomnia does have Polyquaternium-15 in it. If so, that makes perfect sense. Astroglide was unable to get that ingredient anymore and substituted Polyquaternium-7 instead. It ruined the product (Go to their website and read reviews.. they are brutal!)

So for now, with us all having access to Insomnia, we count our blessings.

I do have to say though that thus far, the Silky, I like it better than Insomnia. That is saying a lot as the Insomnia is amazing shit.

Who knew that 4 months ago I would have gone from "Get a sleeve, squirt some lube in her and let it rip" to... having conversations about the intricacies of lube formulation! Ha!

@AHistorian @loj
Sensbody mention? I have 2 of SENSBODY's GODDESS line, one in "Soft" (06 Akari Mitani) and one in "Normal" (07 Eunbi). And like 30+ holes total. I may have a problem. Here's your unsolicited review! But first:
TL;DR There's really honestly no point unless you fancy the idea of having a 1:1 replica of someone's vagina. I could see myself grabbing another few of the JAV actress ones "just because" if they're on sale, especially for actresses that seemingly never did any other sex toy endorsements, i.e. Nanami Matsumoto. The Tomax Venus Real and Tomax Venus Clone both basically achieve what Sensbody set out to do, better, over a decade before Sensbody released any products, without needing to "1:1" copy a real cooch.

I am not particularly well endowed, and these things are simply too short. There's a reason other onahole manufacturers DON'T use perfect 1:1 internal vaginal impressions when designing an onahole canal. Pussy's....pussy is alive. An onahole is not. It doesn't lubricate itself. It's not a muscous membrane => attached to fascia => attached to muscles => attached to fascia => surrounded by fat => anchored by bone => attached to skin => etc. It can't contract or clamp down on you. It doesn't swell. It doesn't change in length based on how it's moving, or even how it's feeling.

Speaking of how it's feeling, I'm almost certain the Sensbody casts/impressions are made while these gals are whatever the exact OPPOSITE of aroused is. The length certainly implies that, IIRC they range from 3-3.9" across their entire lineup. Akari Mitani looked downright UNCOMFORTABLE in the "behind the scenes" pictures they've got on their website. Mao Hamasaki was definitely having a good time though, even with that cold PVS all up inside her. Gotta admire a ho that's truly in it for the love of the game, she probably loved the idea. Still, tiny onahole canal. Anyways, I digress.

Is there a bit of a naughty allure to having a 1:1 facsimile of Akari Mitani's hoohaa right in front of you while you're watching her in VR? Yes, absolutely.
Unboxing Sensbody 07 actually made me quite angry at NPG after I realized they (NPG) had completely trimmed her labia around the entry on their Shin Meiki 002 Akari Mitani. Why?! The realistic labia are a selling point to a sizable chunk of your customers, it's why you put these women on the boxes! JNPG realized this and the Akari Mitani mini hip has the labia intact.

Does having a 1:1 facsimile of Akari Mitani's snatch make for a great onahole? Sadly, NO.
Not even a "good" one. The canal really isn't long enough for single layer material that has THIS little give to it, and I'm talking about the "Soft" one here. Their normal material, at least on Eunbi, while more than soft enough as there are no exaggerated onahole textures on any of these, is worse, because the canal on that one veers right. You'll feel like you're going to pop right out of the side. Both veer into "good" if you have the patience to squeeze and stretch them while using them, but at that point, using either becomes such a mental chore that YOU'LL go Rich Soft instead.

HOWEVER

Shove either of these gigantic things into the Meiki Plush Hip - yes, it IS possible, with great effort - and it becomes a 10/10 experience. Why? The "Soft" Akari Mitani is so bulky (but still pliable) that the act of trying to force it into the tight insert area on the hip ends up:
1. Elongating it JUST enough for someone of average length, and even more if you really force it
2. Narrowing it JUST enough to provide some suction, regardless of how deeply you shove it in there

Using anything more viscous than Insomnia or Silky Lube (I prefer the latter) on these is an awful idea, you'll dull what little natural texture they've got. Their "Soft" material is also quite nice. They make a big stink about being safe by not using any talc, so be prepared to soak this thing in the sink for at least a few minutes when you first get it because it is absolutely COVERED in corn starch both inside and out. Wash. It. Out. Use warm water and keep it in there long enough and you won't have to heat it, which is nice.

They are the only 2 onaholes I own that were "forgotten about artisan novelties" sitting in the back of my closet BEFORE I bought the hip, and 10/10 dirty fantasy MASTERPIECES but ONLY WITH the hip.
Both are also somewhat unique in that it feels GOOD to rock them back and forth the way a gal vigorously grinding her clit into your crotch feels. Dual-layer onaholes seldom have the "give" needed for that to work.

Oh, Tomax restock. Time to finally try Rich Soft.

@Waki Thanks really appreciate the detailed reply!

Which Tomax softness is Sensbody in Soft closest to?

The detailed realistic molding of the vulva and canal is intriguing but the QC issues and short internal length is a problem. Especially for the premium prices they’re charging.

I wonder if the internal length issues can be resolved if they cast these models when they’re aroused?

I think Sensbody is the only one molding the internals of actual models. I wonder why other manufacturers haven’t attempted it? Likely health and safety?

I saw videos of the molding process and they were using the blue Smooth-On resin that Hollywood FX artists use. I don’t think that stuff is meant for internal use though.

@loj oops, didn't see this. It's hard to make a 1:1 comparison because I only have Tomax in Very Soft and Richsoft, and because it doesn't quite match either in every regard. It's probably somewhere in between those two on stretchiness, but slightly firmer (less "give") than Very Soft because of how dense the top and outer ends of them are compared to the fairly evenly distributed Tomax. And it's less durable than either. The regular softness Sensbody is a bit more durable but also has considerably less "give", stretchiness doesn't suffer though.

if you told me I could "only keep one" between the Venus and any Sens I'd probably buy a Venus Real in Soft. They fit just fine in the plush hip too, and it's honestly a better experience.

I don't think it's health and safety, it's probably practicality and usability. Don't let my long gushing comment mislead you, the 2 Sensbody onaholes I've got are very "mid" at best and I still only see them as a novelty, even if they were better in the hip. Didn't think of Hollywood stuff at all, my mind went to the polyvinylsiloxane you might get your mouth stuffed with at the dentist's office if you're having a crown made. Smooth-On's "Body Double" looks like it's the same idea, an addition (2-part) silicone for mold making. Hard to tell without looking at how the sausage is made. The dentist's stuff is FDA approved to go in your mouth though. A vagina's just a crotch's mouth, right? ????

There's at least one small Chinese manufacturer making softer silicone onaholes out of actual molded internals but acquiring one isn't easy if you're not familiar with shopping via proxy. AFAIK they're going to try and cast the model for their next product while they're aroused, your comment echoes a lot of the reviews I saw people leaving them.

@Waki
So after reading reviews I took a gamble on Sensbody and bought the Rima Arai one from Amazon. The silky soft material is spot on to the real thing. It's eerie how realistic the entrance spreads and how the canal grips and hugs you. I think the ultra plush soft material, smoother flatter tunnel (vs overly textured circular tunnel in most toys) and dense thickness contributes to this incredibly realistic feeling.

The major con is mine tore badly on my very first use. I'm average and it tore 1/2" lengthwise after 30-45 min of moderate use. The ultra soft material is incredibly realistic but also extremely delicate and fragile. For $88 this is unacceptable. Luckily I got a full refund from Amazon. I wonder if it would've held up better if it was made with something like Tomax's Rich Soft material?

I've read the newer models (10-12) improves on the durability at the cost of some softness. That balance seems to be a point of contention from reviews I've read and seems like a tricky problem to solve. They clearly have the ingredients to something very special.

PS: What's the name of the Chinese brand doing internal molded toys? From what I've read silicone can never be as soft as TPE. Also from the Sensbody BTS videos I saw them using Smooth-On's Body Double product. Apparently that stuff takes up to 20 mins to fully dry. It seems incredibly difficult to make a cast while having the model stay aroused for that long.

@loj both of mine are also torn, but only at the entrance, and it was after several uses. Glad Amazon had your back.

"Danengmao" / Daneng Cat. I don't know if you'll be able to find them other than on Taobao. This was the item # 1024515228834 since I imagine a full Taobao link might get filtered. They have one other product that's also an internal mold and one more in the works, probably going to pick both up one they're finished.

Shopping "direct" in China without a forwarder or proxy shopping service is basically impossible these days though.

@Waki
Thanks for the item number. You haven't gotten anything from that Chinese brand right? Have you seen any reviews? It seems I can only see Taobao links through proxy shopping sites like Superbuy.

The thing I'd be critical about is softness. I think softness is much more important for these realistic subtle textured toys. From everything I've read even the softest platinum silicone is noticeably firmer than TPE.

@loj I bought that exact item. Bought directly but forwarded through Superbuy (good choice). If you're looking for something very soft then yeah I would pass. It's definitely the softest silicone toy I've come across but it'd be a "medium" compared to TPE.